2) Varied Index
I checked our Varied Index for later entries for George DOLMAN, and found
just this:
DATE: 26 JUN 1772
SURNAME: DOLMON FORENAME: GEORGE
CLASS: CORONERS REPORT REF: WRO/A5/2/1/
SOURCE: Wilts Record Society Vol.36. Coroners' Bills 1752-1796 by
R.F.Hunnisett.
NOTES: At Tytherton in Chippenham. Killed by a bruise from the shaft of a
waggon.
Friday 5 January 2007
Bastardy entry WRO/B10/100/2: 1861 March 18
Dear Andy
1) Bastardy entry
No problem, I have extracted the following for you from ref: WRO/B10/100/2:
1861 March 18.
Elizabeth DOLMAN v. George DOLMAN.
Elizabeth DOLMAN swore and sayeth: 'I am a single woman, residing at Stanly
in the parish of Bremhill. I was confined of a male child on 25 Dec last.
George DOLMAN is the father of it. I was living at Bushton last year.
Defendant was living at Stanley. I went home at Lady Day in last year and
stayed a week. We have kept company for 6 years. I met defendant at
Chippenham, on coming home from Chippenham the connection took place. We
were together nearly every day of the week I stayed at home.'
Sarah PEARCE swore and sayeth: 'I live at Stanley in parish of Bremhill, and
am married. A little time before Michaelmas last the defendant was in my
house and I heard him say to my husband and myself in allusion to Elizabeth
DOLMAN. "If she was in the family way he would marry her and she must bide
with her father and he must bide with his, until they could get a place to
live in". In the month of August last the defendant and complainant were at
my house and the defendant said to me "If her money was gone he would let
her have some of his, as long as he had any she should have part of it." I
have seen them have tea together at my mother's house last Lady Day, He
never contracted being the father of Elizabeth DOLMAN's child when taxed
with it.'
Order made.
1862 February 17.
Elizabeth DOLMAN v. DOLMAN.
Elizabeth DOLMAN said that she had had no money since the Thursday after
last Christmas Day.
Defendant says 'I cannot pay, I sometimes earn 2s 6d a day, and sometimes
only 2s a day. I can't pay, and suppose I must go to prison. I have no
goods.'
Committed for 6 weeks.
1) Bastardy entry
No problem, I have extracted the following for you from ref: WRO/B10/100/2:
1861 March 18.
Elizabeth DOLMAN v. George DOLMAN.
Elizabeth DOLMAN swore and sayeth: 'I am a single woman, residing at Stanly
in the parish of Bremhill. I was confined of a male child on 25 Dec last.
George DOLMAN is the father of it. I was living at Bushton last year.
Defendant was living at Stanley. I went home at Lady Day in last year and
stayed a week. We have kept company for 6 years. I met defendant at
Chippenham, on coming home from Chippenham the connection took place. We
were together nearly every day of the week I stayed at home.'
Sarah PEARCE swore and sayeth: 'I live at Stanley in parish of Bremhill, and
am married. A little time before Michaelmas last the defendant was in my
house and I heard him say to my husband and myself in allusion to Elizabeth
DOLMAN. "If she was in the family way he would marry her and she must bide
with her father and he must bide with his, until they could get a place to
live in". In the month of August last the defendant and complainant were at
my house and the defendant said to me "If her money was gone he would let
her have some of his, as long as he had any she should have part of it." I
have seen them have tea together at my mother's house last Lady Day, He
never contracted being the father of Elizabeth DOLMAN's child when taxed
with it.'
Order made.
1862 February 17.
Elizabeth DOLMAN v. DOLMAN.
Elizabeth DOLMAN said that she had had no money since the Thursday after
last Christmas Day.
Defendant says 'I cannot pay, I sometimes earn 2s 6d a day, and sometimes
only 2s a day. I can't pay, and suppose I must go to prison. I have no
goods.'
Committed for 6 weeks.
BASTARDY ORDERS REF: WRO/B10/100/2
Dear Andy
No, this means that Elizabeth DOLMAN fathered a child by George DOLMAN
(keeping it in the family!).
My guess is that they were probably cousins.
The child's name is not given here, but we could probably find this out from
birth or baptism sources.
If you like, I can let you have the full text from this source.
Regards
David
No, this means that Elizabeth DOLMAN fathered a child by George DOLMAN
(keeping it in the family!).
My guess is that they were probably cousins.
The child's name is not given here, but we could probably find this out from
birth or baptism sources.
If you like, I can let you have the full text from this source.
Regards
David
Thursday 4 January 2007
John Dolman 1766 Cherhill
Dear Andy
I confirm that we have now looked into this query for you.
Looking back on our previous correspondence, the entries that you have
provided, do not appear to have been verified by us, so I will trust that
these are all from a confirmed source.
1) Review
I note that you have this baptism entry:
CHERHILL - Parish Baptism
1766 Jun 09 - John, son of John & Mary DOLMAN
And this marriage entry:
BREMHILL - Parish Marriage
1791 Mar 06 - John DOMAN, to Ann SIMKINS, both of the parish.
Plus this death entry:
Civil Death record, at Stanley, Chippenham
1843 Oct 19 - John DOLMAN, aged 80.
I see that John died before the 1851 census, but was alive in 1841, aged 70
(although ages here are rounded to the nearest 5).
I checked our 1851 census index, and I see that Ann was still alive, aged
80, and living with dau & son-in-law William & Elizabeth CLEVERLY in
Chippenham.
On your tree, you appear to have children for this couple, as follows:
George 1791
Elizabeth 1793
William 1796
Thomas 1800
Jane 1802
James 1805
although no exact dates, or places are given.
2) Marriage search
I searched our Wiltshire Marriage Index, to see if there were any viable
alternative marriages for John DOLMAN.
I found these entries between 1780 and 1815:
DATE: 22 DEC 1787 PLACE: Maiden Bradley by Banns
GROOM: DOLMAN John of this parish
BRIDE: OVER Jane of this parish
DATE: 06 MAR 1791 PLACE: Bremhill
GROOM: DOMAN John of this parish
BRIDE: SIMKINS Ann of this parish
DATE: 27 MAY 1792 PLACE: Lacock
GROOM: DOLMAN John Compton Bassett
BRIDE: NASH Sarah Pewsham
DATE: 26 JAN 1809 PLACE: Westbury
GROOM: DOLEMAN John
BRIDE: HOBBS Ann
DATE: 20 APR 1812 PLACE: Cherhill
GROOM: DOLMAN John
BRIDE: HAWKINS Mary
So, there are a few that could be considered equally alongside the Bremhill
entry, although there is only one marriage to Ann, at the right time to be
yours.
I don't know where your stated children were found, so I can't comment on
this, but it does appear to be a good match.
If you wanted us to search earlier Bremhill records for John DOLMAN, we
could check to see if any trace was found of him earlier than 1766 in this
parish. Otherwise, I think that this is probably correct.
3) Varied Index
I did check our Varied Index, to see if there were any records of the DOLMAN
name in Bremhill, but the only entry I found was this one:
DATE: 18 MAR 1861
SURNAME: DOLMAN FORENAME: ELIZABETH
CLASS: BASTARDY ORDERS REF: WRO/B10/100/2
SOURCE: Bastardy Transcription volume 3. Printed by Wilts Family History
Society.
NOTES: Elizabeth DOLMAN spinster of Stanly in Bremhill, by George DOLMAN.
Male child born on 25 Dec. Others mentioned: Sarah PEARCE. More details in
book.
I therefore suspect that the DOLMAN's did not come from this parish.
I did note that I had quite a few other DOLMAN Varied Index entries which
pertained to Cherhill, which I don't think I have provided you with
previously. Let me know if you are interested in these.
4) Conclusion
This does all appear to be satisfactory, and I hope that this was what you
were wanting me to prove.
If this is ok, I will continue with a similar exercise for James DOLMAN
(bapt 1805).
I confirm that we have now looked into this query for you.
Looking back on our previous correspondence, the entries that you have
provided, do not appear to have been verified by us, so I will trust that
these are all from a confirmed source.
1) Review
I note that you have this baptism entry:
CHERHILL - Parish Baptism
1766 Jun 09 - John, son of John & Mary DOLMAN
And this marriage entry:
BREMHILL - Parish Marriage
1791 Mar 06 - John DOMAN, to Ann SIMKINS, both of the parish.
Plus this death entry:
Civil Death record, at Stanley, Chippenham
1843 Oct 19 - John DOLMAN, aged 80.
I see that John died before the 1851 census, but was alive in 1841, aged 70
(although ages here are rounded to the nearest 5).
I checked our 1851 census index, and I see that Ann was still alive, aged
80, and living with dau & son-in-law William & Elizabeth CLEVERLY in
Chippenham.
On your tree, you appear to have children for this couple, as follows:
George 1791
Elizabeth 1793
William 1796
Thomas 1800
Jane 1802
James 1805
although no exact dates, or places are given.
2) Marriage search
I searched our Wiltshire Marriage Index, to see if there were any viable
alternative marriages for John DOLMAN.
I found these entries between 1780 and 1815:
DATE: 22 DEC 1787 PLACE: Maiden Bradley by Banns
GROOM: DOLMAN John of this parish
BRIDE: OVER Jane of this parish
DATE: 06 MAR 1791 PLACE: Bremhill
GROOM: DOMAN John of this parish
BRIDE: SIMKINS Ann of this parish
DATE: 27 MAY 1792 PLACE: Lacock
GROOM: DOLMAN John Compton Bassett
BRIDE: NASH Sarah Pewsham
DATE: 26 JAN 1809 PLACE: Westbury
GROOM: DOLEMAN John
BRIDE: HOBBS Ann
DATE: 20 APR 1812 PLACE: Cherhill
GROOM: DOLMAN John
BRIDE: HAWKINS Mary
So, there are a few that could be considered equally alongside the Bremhill
entry, although there is only one marriage to Ann, at the right time to be
yours.
I don't know where your stated children were found, so I can't comment on
this, but it does appear to be a good match.
If you wanted us to search earlier Bremhill records for John DOLMAN, we
could check to see if any trace was found of him earlier than 1766 in this
parish. Otherwise, I think that this is probably correct.
3) Varied Index
I did check our Varied Index, to see if there were any records of the DOLMAN
name in Bremhill, but the only entry I found was this one:
DATE: 18 MAR 1861
SURNAME: DOLMAN FORENAME: ELIZABETH
CLASS: BASTARDY ORDERS REF: WRO/B10/100/2
SOURCE: Bastardy Transcription volume 3. Printed by Wilts Family History
Society.
NOTES: Elizabeth DOLMAN spinster of Stanly in Bremhill, by George DOLMAN.
Male child born on 25 Dec. Others mentioned: Sarah PEARCE. More details in
book.
I therefore suspect that the DOLMAN's did not come from this parish.
I did note that I had quite a few other DOLMAN Varied Index entries which
pertained to Cherhill, which I don't think I have provided you with
previously. Let me know if you are interested in these.
4) Conclusion
This does all appear to be satisfactory, and I hope that this was what you
were wanting me to prove.
If this is ok, I will continue with a similar exercise for James DOLMAN
(bapt 1805).
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