Dear Andy
No, this means that Elizabeth DOLMAN fathered a child by George DOLMAN
(keeping it in the family!).
My guess is that they were probably cousins.
The child's name is not given here, but we could probably find this out from
birth or baptism sources.
If you like, I can let you have the full text from this source.
Regards
David
Friday 5 January 2007
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I believe child's name to have been James. He became the step-son of Joseph Chivers when Elizabeth married widow Joseph in 1869, BMDQ ref. 1869/4 Calne 5a/139.
Here he is in the 1871 census returns:
1871 census; Calne, Rattles
CHIVERS Joseph,h,m,40,ag lab,Chippenham
Elizabeth,w,m,36,Chippenham
Joseph,s,u,12,labourer,Calne
DOLMAN James,s/son,10,schol,Bremhill
Emma,s/dau,6,schol,Chippenham
CHIVERS Alice,d,8,schol,Calne
Frank,s,6,schol,Calne
Mary,d,5,schol,Calne
Franciska,d,11m,Calne
It would seem that James might have been the fourth baseborn child of Elizabeth's. Emma appears above, and there was possibly Sophia and George, as mentioned in the 1861 census when Elizabeth was with her parents:
1861 census; Stanley Bridge, Chippenham
James Dolman, h, M, 54, ag lab, Stanley
Ann, w, M, 56, Bremhill
Elizabeth, d, U, 26, dairymaid, Stanley
Jane, d, U, 21, dairymaid, Stanley
Mary, d, U, 17, dairymaid, Stanley
Emma, d, 15, work in fields, Stanley
John, s, 12, ag lab, Stanley
Sophia, g/d, 7, Stanley
George, g/s, 4, Calne
James, g/s, 3m, Bremhill
Hi John,
Thanks for commenting. I know from the counter I'm not the only person who looks at this site, but you are the first to add a comment.
At the moment I'm not sure how this part of the family link to my part. Do you have any info taking it back further?
The following are the marriage references for the 2 Dolman Chivers marriages, including Elizabeth.
DOLMAN Ann CHIVERS Benjamin Bremhill Chippenham C6/1/279 1870
DOLMAN Elizabeth CHIVERS Joseph Derry Hill Chippenham C25/1/178 1869
Hi Andy,
In my haste in sending you a message an hour ago I forgot to include the census data I have gathered on what I believe to be my 2g Grandfather Joseph Chivers, and his second wife Elizabeth Dolman.
For Joseph I have:
1851 census; Bremhill (1/25), Studley
CHIVERS Joseph 20 Ag. Lab. Chippenham, Wilts,
Jane 25 Ag. Lab. Bremhill, Wilts = 1st wife Jane nee Slade
1871 census; Calne, Rattles
CHIVERS Joseph,h,m,40,ag lab,Chippenham
Elizabeth,w,m,36,Chippenham = 2nd wife Elizabeth nee Dolman
Joseph,s,u,12,labourer,Calne = son of 1st wife
DOLMAN James,s/son,10,schol,Bremhill could this be the child mentioned in the bastardy case?
Emma,s/dau,6,schol,Chippenham
CHIVERS Alice,d,8,schol,Calne
Frank,s,6,schol,Calne
Mary,d,5,schol,Calne
Franciska,d,11m,Calne
1881 census; Chippenham, Stanley
CHIVERS Joseph,h,m,50,ag lab,Chippenham
Elizabeth,w,m,45,Chippenham
Herbert,s,9,schol,Chippenham
Rosina,d,6,schol,Chippenham
Walter,s,3,Chippenham
DOLMAN Emma,s/d,u,16,Chippenham
PACKER Charles,lodger,u,21,ag lab,Swindon
1891 census; Chippenham, Tytherton
CHIVERS Joseph,h,m,59,ag lab,Studley
Elizabeth,w,m,54,Stanley
Walter,s,13,ag lab,Stanley
Joseph Chivers died in 1897, BMD ref. Calne 1897/3 5a/43 age 65. Elizabeth may have died in 1892 BMD ref. Calne 1892/2 5a/85
Census returns for Elizabeth before she married Joseph:
1841 census; Studley, Chippenham
James Dolman, 30, lab, y
Ann, 36, lab, y
George, 14, lab, y
Sarah, 11, lab, y
Thomas, 8, y
Elizabeth, 6, y
Ann, 3, y
Jane, 1, y
1851 census; Cottage adjoining Stanley Bridge Farm, Chippenham
James Dolman, h, 43, lab, Stanley - as were the entire family
Ann, w, 45,
Thomas, s, 18, lab
Elizabeth, d, 16, dom serv
Ann, d, 13, schol
Jane, d, 11, schol
Mary, d, 6,
Emma, d, 4,
John, s, 2,
Henry, s, 1,
Elizabeth Elms, widow, 76, infirm **
(** in 1841 census; Low Bridge, Bremhill; Joseph, 65, ag lab, y; Elizabeth, 60, y)
1861 census; Stanley Bridge, Chippenham
James Dolman, h, M, 54, ag lab, Stanley
Ann, w, M, 56, Bremhill
Elizabeth, d, U, 26, dairymaid, Stanley
Jane, d, U, 21, dairymaid, Stanley
Mary, d, U, 17, dairymaid, Stanley
Emma, d, 15, work in fields, Stanley
John, s, 12, ag lab, Stanley
Sophia, g/d, 7, Stanley
George, g/s, 4, Calne
James, g/s, 3m, Bremhill here is little James again, age 3 months consistent with a birth date of 25 Dec 1860 as mentioned in the bastardy case!!
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Regards,
John
PS. Two other interests in the name Dolman: when staying with my grandparents at Beanacre (on the Melksham to Chippenham road) in the 1940s or 1950s I used to be sent to the Dolman's farm next door to get the milk, measured-out with a ladel into my jug. I believe these Dolman's had some connection with Harry Dolman who features in the history of Bristol City FC, and who lived his latter days in Chew Magna where he was a near neighbour of mine!
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